Alright, been slacking on posting here, but I have had a thought sticking with me for quite a while I wanted to write about. I told my wife about it last night and in talking about it out loud I realized how intriguing it really is.
So, once again at work this environment is very dynamic, challenging, annoying, perplexing, frustrating and at times feels like I'm back in my High School days.
Everyone I work with is fairly good natured and they are nice people who mean well.
But, when you talk to someone about something whether it is sports, politics or religion a great portion of the room that holds 15 people tend to chime in with their opinion. Granted I am the minority in a lot of respects - Political views (Republican), Religious views (Christian) and as written about previously the Team/Person I'm rooting for in Tim Tebow (I think 1 other person may view him semi-favorable still).
There are the main culprits who like to chime in - (C), (MG), (R) and a few others but (JY) is reasonable and (JB) is fairly passe. There are others (RT) who gives her opinion quite a bit, and a few who occasionally chime in but they aren't as prideful as the main crew.
You see, when you talk about something, referring back to the topic of this post, it seems a fair number of people will chime in, either in agreement or slight opposition. This will go around for a bit, until it seems that the original question/argument/view comes to some sort of consensus/agreement/ or forfeiture of their stance.
So, someone may say they like the President but hate the previous President Bush. Well, consensus has it that most if not all the room agrees with this particular opinion. So for me to say otherwise is like committing conversational suicide. The slanted arguments come out, the strong wills arise and derogatory comments ensue. A topic like this is not something you can sway someone to change their mind about. Reason being, going against the "consensus" is hard to compete with. Because you may answer or argue one point to your cause, but there's always more sitting around the corner waiting for you.
Another example - Tebow is a great player/QB/person. I already know where people stand with this one and (MG) will say anything and everything he can whether it is true or not to deride him from any sort of respect. Now, he does hold a grudge over from college because Tebow beat his team for many years and cannot stand how good his character is.
I can provide all of his successes, but they don't measure up to others "standards", whether they are only measured against Tebow or not. You see, Tebow can win 5-6 games in a row as a QB but somehow he still sucks. Somehow he's still in-superior to anyone else even though he's on the verge of going to the playoffs. Consensus has it that Tebow is just a one show act, not able to maintain longevity in the NFL, not able to be a true QB, not the sole reason for the teams winning, etc. etc.
It's pretty much the mob mentality, so says the mob so goes the crowd. Have you ever tried to steer a mob from a mindset that's already running downhill to the slaughter? It's really quite annoying and frustrating. Even though you see the light, you are unable to direct others to it because of the few who do not want to go towards it.
Some other examples of these types of one directional, one sided conversations
- Existence of Aliens, I heard - You have to be ignorant to believe Aliens don't exist and that we're the only ones out there. I said - You have to be ignorant to believe they do exist. No evidence exists to prove otherwise. There's more evidence that points to God than that points to Aliens, but somehow it's easier to believe in Aliens than in an almighty God who's given us the Bible and Jesus to prove His existence. The one Book that has never been disproven. The one book that is Historically accurate and proves itself time and time again.
- The Lakers suck (team I like)
- George Bush was a horrible president (he wasn't perfect, but tried to do what was right)
- Obama is a good president (he's done some things alright)
- Sarah Palin is stupid (I don't agree here, she's done more than we ever will politically)
- Any company that doesn't have a lot of minorities is racist (not true, it's actually very racist thinking that in my opinion)
- The Bible isn't literal or should be left to interpretation, they say some stories are just stories (I take the Bible as utter and complete truth, to not believe some is to not believe all)
Wednesday, December 28, 2011
Wednesday, December 7, 2011
Arguing ones point
So, what exactly is the point of arguing?
I've heard a lot of it lately, been a part of it a lot as well. I'm sitting at work and on a daily basis it seems there is plenty of it to go around. So I thought, what's the point of all of this in the end? Does anyone really genuinely change their mind? Do we really get anywhere doing it?
What are we trying to accomplish with such things really?
Here's a list of ideas I have of why someone may argue (from my perspective)
1) To prove a point
2) To convince someone otherwise
3) To disagree
4) To pridefully not agree with someone
5) To not admit ones wrong actions, thoughts or words
6) To argue for arguments sake
1) Proving a point a lot of times is seemingly pointless. Unless done in a constructive, heartfelt manner this is a hard thing to do. This is especially detrimental in relationships. One must ask, is this point worth proving? Is it beneficial? What are my true motives for doing so?
2) Convincing someone other than what they already believe is very difficult. Especially in today's society, where everyone believes they are "entitled" to their own beliefs, thoughts, rights etc. I've found even with proof, conviction, examples this is not always possible.
3) Disagreement, a lot of times ends up with "agreeing to disagree". But does that really accomplish anything? Why bother embarking down the road if it leads to where you first started? Sure, people get to air out their differences of opinion, thoughts, beliefs etc which in the end seems to be all that happens a lot of times.
4) Pridefully not agreeing with someone. What I'm thinking of in reference to this is when someone knows they are wrong, but refuse to admit it because of pride. In this instance, a lot of "justifications" will be provided to try to prove ones "point". A guy may for instance not "pridefully agree" with his wife because she was right after all.
5) This one kind of ties in with my thoughts listed above, but without the pride involved. That is a difficult thing to do because Pride plays such a prominent role in so many arguments. But for this instance of arguing, not admitting ones wrong actions, thoughts or words could be more so internal than external. It may all boil down to pride in the end and have a lot of "justification" intertwined as well. Maybe this one is a more genuine aspect of simply believing what you know to be the truth and someone else believing the same and not being able to compromise either way.
6) Arguing for arguments sake. There are a lot of these out there. People like to argue just to argue. Maybe they know what they are talking about, but surprisingly I think most people don't when they simply argue for arguments sake. A lot of people do this I'm sure not realizing what they are doing. Someone may say - the sky is blue, and someone else may say - no it's not blue it's overcast. But does it truly matter if it's not exactly what they said?
Arguments in different aspects all tend to have a lot of similarities -
A belief one way or another held by one of the parties involved
A right/wrong aspect - You are either right or you are wrong
Pride (a lot of times)
Justification (reason for your belief)
Hopefully a conclusion (maybe even reached by compromise)
In the end, we are all different people with different upbringings, backgrounds, beliefs, morals, etc.
Not everyone sees eye to eye, not everyone cares to see eye to eye.
This is what I'm thinking of for myself when it comes to arguing.
The main point of arguing is to present another aspect or view on a subject.
I accept that the person may or may not change their mind based on this argument.
It is to be done in a non-confrontational/judgemental manner.
My hope is that the other person has some food for thought to take away from the conversation that may over time or eventually influence their way of thinking, either in general or about the subject in particular.
I don't care to really change people's minds as they are generally old enough to think for themselves, but I do care to get others thinking about the subject that is at hand.
God is almighty and all powerful, He is the only one who can truly change a person's heart.
I hope to leave them with "well, maybe there is something there" after arguing about something.
And hopefully for them to come to their own conclusions.
After all, people who are told or forced to do something generally do it in angst, not genuinely or begrudgingly. But, if someone can do it on their own accord, thinking that they came to the realization on their own, I believe they would be more inclined to genuinely change.
The truth is funny like that, no matter whether someone agrees to it or not, it does force you to think. The truth of Jesus permeates through to the marrow of the bones as the Bible clearly states in Hebrews 4:12 "For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart."
I'm not confident other general truths have such an effect as the Bible does not state this, but I think it does something. Whether it is to anger someone, offend them or what not, I believe Truth in general has an affect on people whether they choose to believe it or deny it for themselves.
Consider this when faced with your next argument -
Titus 3:9
But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.
I've heard a lot of it lately, been a part of it a lot as well. I'm sitting at work and on a daily basis it seems there is plenty of it to go around. So I thought, what's the point of all of this in the end? Does anyone really genuinely change their mind? Do we really get anywhere doing it?
What are we trying to accomplish with such things really?
Here's a list of ideas I have of why someone may argue (from my perspective)
1) To prove a point
2) To convince someone otherwise
3) To disagree
4) To pridefully not agree with someone
5) To not admit ones wrong actions, thoughts or words
6) To argue for arguments sake
1) Proving a point a lot of times is seemingly pointless. Unless done in a constructive, heartfelt manner this is a hard thing to do. This is especially detrimental in relationships. One must ask, is this point worth proving? Is it beneficial? What are my true motives for doing so?
2) Convincing someone other than what they already believe is very difficult. Especially in today's society, where everyone believes they are "entitled" to their own beliefs, thoughts, rights etc. I've found even with proof, conviction, examples this is not always possible.
3) Disagreement, a lot of times ends up with "agreeing to disagree". But does that really accomplish anything? Why bother embarking down the road if it leads to where you first started? Sure, people get to air out their differences of opinion, thoughts, beliefs etc which in the end seems to be all that happens a lot of times.
4) Pridefully not agreeing with someone. What I'm thinking of in reference to this is when someone knows they are wrong, but refuse to admit it because of pride. In this instance, a lot of "justifications" will be provided to try to prove ones "point". A guy may for instance not "pridefully agree" with his wife because she was right after all.
5) This one kind of ties in with my thoughts listed above, but without the pride involved. That is a difficult thing to do because Pride plays such a prominent role in so many arguments. But for this instance of arguing, not admitting ones wrong actions, thoughts or words could be more so internal than external. It may all boil down to pride in the end and have a lot of "justification" intertwined as well. Maybe this one is a more genuine aspect of simply believing what you know to be the truth and someone else believing the same and not being able to compromise either way.
6) Arguing for arguments sake. There are a lot of these out there. People like to argue just to argue. Maybe they know what they are talking about, but surprisingly I think most people don't when they simply argue for arguments sake. A lot of people do this I'm sure not realizing what they are doing. Someone may say - the sky is blue, and someone else may say - no it's not blue it's overcast. But does it truly matter if it's not exactly what they said?
Arguments in different aspects all tend to have a lot of similarities -
A belief one way or another held by one of the parties involved
A right/wrong aspect - You are either right or you are wrong
Pride (a lot of times)
Justification (reason for your belief)
Hopefully a conclusion (maybe even reached by compromise)
In the end, we are all different people with different upbringings, backgrounds, beliefs, morals, etc.
Not everyone sees eye to eye, not everyone cares to see eye to eye.
This is what I'm thinking of for myself when it comes to arguing.
The main point of arguing is to present another aspect or view on a subject.
I accept that the person may or may not change their mind based on this argument.
It is to be done in a non-confrontational/judgemental manner.
My hope is that the other person has some food for thought to take away from the conversation that may over time or eventually influence their way of thinking, either in general or about the subject in particular.
I don't care to really change people's minds as they are generally old enough to think for themselves, but I do care to get others thinking about the subject that is at hand.
God is almighty and all powerful, He is the only one who can truly change a person's heart.
I hope to leave them with "well, maybe there is something there" after arguing about something.
And hopefully for them to come to their own conclusions.
After all, people who are told or forced to do something generally do it in angst, not genuinely or begrudgingly. But, if someone can do it on their own accord, thinking that they came to the realization on their own, I believe they would be more inclined to genuinely change.
The truth is funny like that, no matter whether someone agrees to it or not, it does force you to think. The truth of Jesus permeates through to the marrow of the bones as the Bible clearly states in Hebrews 4:12 "For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart."
I'm not confident other general truths have such an effect as the Bible does not state this, but I think it does something. Whether it is to anger someone, offend them or what not, I believe Truth in general has an affect on people whether they choose to believe it or deny it for themselves.
Consider this when faced with your next argument -
Titus 3:9
But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.
Monday, November 28, 2011
What if I'm 15?
Now, this song is from 2004 and I think that may have been around the time I heard it.
It is sung by Greg Long who has some solo work out there under his name, but at the time he was also singing with Avalon. I'm not sure where things stand now, but I never forgot the song.
I had searched for it on the internet, looked for it on the various media methods and never found it for years until now.
This song, it's very heart speaks volumes to me in so many ways.
I was sitting at the table
As the waitress took our order
In her eyes I knew that something wasn't right
And before I saw it coming
I was caught up in her story
Of the storms that she had weathered in her life
My friend said can we pray for you
She said I think I'd like you to
She walked away, we bowed our heads
But then he turned to me and said
If it takes fifteen times
To hear about Jesus
For someone to believe
Wherever I stand in line
I've got to make a difference
In case it comes down to me
'Cause, I may be the third, may be the seventh
There may be years in between
But what if I'm fifteen
What if I'm fifteen
Just a chapter in a story
With the ending still unwritten
Do they find the truth of Jesus after all As I listen for the whispers
And I follow where they lead me
I pray that I'll be faithful to the call
If I'm who I'm supposed to be
I know that God can work through me
I may not understand it now
But I believe somehow
If it takes fifteen times
To hear about Jesus
For someone to believe
Wherever I stand in line
I've got to make a difference
In case it comes down to me
'Cause I may be the third, may be the seventh
There may be years in between
But what if I'm fifteen
What if I'm fifteen
God I don't want to miss the chances
When you open the door
What may seem so insignificant
You see so much more
If it takes fifteen times
To hear about Jesus
For someone to believe
Wherever I stand in line
I've got to make a difference
In case it comes down to me
'Cause I may be the third, may be the seventh
There may be years in between
But what if I'm fifteen
What if I'm fifteen
First off, it reminds us about being witnesses for Jesus first and foremost.
"I've got to make a difference, In case it comes down to me"
Secondly, it reignites my compassion for the lost. It reminds me of how great a love our Savior has for us and how compelling it is when someone truly comes to repentance and Faith in Him.
Thirdly, and to me most importantly, it tells me that someone coming to Faith in Christ isn't always a one time deal.
A lot of times with witnessing, I think about results. I think that someone will magically and suddenly repent from their sins at that point and turn to Christ immediately. Well, that is what they should do and what you hope for, but that's not always real life. Just as this song states, it may take many many times for someone to hear about Jesus before their hearts are truly changed.
I think about what point in line I may have been for people, did I do my part?
What point in line may I be for others to come?
Will I be Faithful? Will I turn them to Christ or turn them away?
What number in line may you be?
What number in line might someone else be for those who I'm praying for to come to know Christ and what will they do with the opportunity afforded to them?
It is sung by Greg Long who has some solo work out there under his name, but at the time he was also singing with Avalon. I'm not sure where things stand now, but I never forgot the song.
I had searched for it on the internet, looked for it on the various media methods and never found it for years until now.
This song, it's very heart speaks volumes to me in so many ways.
Fifteen Lyrics
Greg Long
I was sitting at the table
As the waitress took our order
In her eyes I knew that something wasn't right
And before I saw it coming
I was caught up in her story
Of the storms that she had weathered in her life
My friend said can we pray for you
She said I think I'd like you to
She walked away, we bowed our heads
But then he turned to me and said
If it takes fifteen times
To hear about Jesus
For someone to believe
Wherever I stand in line
I've got to make a difference
In case it comes down to me
'Cause, I may be the third, may be the seventh
There may be years in between
But what if I'm fifteen
What if I'm fifteen
Just a chapter in a story
With the ending still unwritten
Do they find the truth of Jesus after all As I listen for the whispers
And I follow where they lead me
I pray that I'll be faithful to the call
If I'm who I'm supposed to be
I know that God can work through me
I may not understand it now
But I believe somehow
If it takes fifteen times
To hear about Jesus
For someone to believe
Wherever I stand in line
I've got to make a difference
In case it comes down to me
'Cause I may be the third, may be the seventh
There may be years in between
But what if I'm fifteen
What if I'm fifteen
God I don't want to miss the chances
When you open the door
What may seem so insignificant
You see so much more
If it takes fifteen times
To hear about Jesus
For someone to believe
Wherever I stand in line
I've got to make a difference
In case it comes down to me
'Cause I may be the third, may be the seventh
There may be years in between
But what if I'm fifteen
What if I'm fifteen
First off, it reminds us about being witnesses for Jesus first and foremost.
"I've got to make a difference, In case it comes down to me"
Secondly, it reignites my compassion for the lost. It reminds me of how great a love our Savior has for us and how compelling it is when someone truly comes to repentance and Faith in Him.
Thirdly, and to me most importantly, it tells me that someone coming to Faith in Christ isn't always a one time deal.
A lot of times with witnessing, I think about results. I think that someone will magically and suddenly repent from their sins at that point and turn to Christ immediately. Well, that is what they should do and what you hope for, but that's not always real life. Just as this song states, it may take many many times for someone to hear about Jesus before their hearts are truly changed.
I think about what point in line I may have been for people, did I do my part?
What point in line may I be for others to come?
Will I be Faithful? Will I turn them to Christ or turn them away?
What number in line may you be?
What number in line might someone else be for those who I'm praying for to come to know Christ and what will they do with the opportunity afforded to them?
Is it what I want it to be?
So, today I noticed at work there was a small Christmas Tree with presents under it.
But then, I saw that the ornaments on the tree were blue and white, representative of Hanukkah.
At first, I was like what the heck? Why do they have to put those clearly visible Jewish tradition colors on a Christmas tree just to incorporate the two holidays/religions? I know it's to appease people first and foremost, so that it doesn't "appear" that anyone favors one religion over another. Or it's a way for Jewish people to celebrate without having to break out a whole menorah. Still, it's quite ridiculous either way. I'm sure something is coming down the pipeline as a symbol of celebrating something Muslim related or what have you.
But in the end, I thought - why do I need them to do what I want them to?
Like, why should I get upset if they aren't making it the way that I think it should be?
In one sense, this is giving into the changing world views of making everything acceptable to everyone and not offending others or standing up for what you believe.
But, I also thought - my idea of Christmas is not affected by what they do. This is work, so they do it this way at work, it's their choice. But in my home, at my house, my decorations reflect differently. Isn't that all that truly matters? I can't force the truth down someone's throat that does not embrace the truth. But I can be an example of my own by my own accord.
I used to have the mentality of just ignoring or pro-crastinating making decisions on things just to not have to deal with them (ok, I still struggle with this at times), but in this instance I truly see no point in fighting over something that clearly is reflective of the company. Now, that doesn't mean I may not say anything against it to my co-workers or say on a blog, but sadly enough I resign myself to the fact that in this day and age, in a Christless culture you cannot simply expect everyone to hold the same morals and values as Jesus Christ commands us to.
But then, I saw that the ornaments on the tree were blue and white, representative of Hanukkah.
At first, I was like what the heck? Why do they have to put those clearly visible Jewish tradition colors on a Christmas tree just to incorporate the two holidays/religions? I know it's to appease people first and foremost, so that it doesn't "appear" that anyone favors one religion over another. Or it's a way for Jewish people to celebrate without having to break out a whole menorah. Still, it's quite ridiculous either way. I'm sure something is coming down the pipeline as a symbol of celebrating something Muslim related or what have you.
But in the end, I thought - why do I need them to do what I want them to?
Like, why should I get upset if they aren't making it the way that I think it should be?
In one sense, this is giving into the changing world views of making everything acceptable to everyone and not offending others or standing up for what you believe.
But, I also thought - my idea of Christmas is not affected by what they do. This is work, so they do it this way at work, it's their choice. But in my home, at my house, my decorations reflect differently. Isn't that all that truly matters? I can't force the truth down someone's throat that does not embrace the truth. But I can be an example of my own by my own accord.
I used to have the mentality of just ignoring or pro-crastinating making decisions on things just to not have to deal with them (ok, I still struggle with this at times), but in this instance I truly see no point in fighting over something that clearly is reflective of the company. Now, that doesn't mean I may not say anything against it to my co-workers or say on a blog, but sadly enough I resign myself to the fact that in this day and age, in a Christless culture you cannot simply expect everyone to hold the same morals and values as Jesus Christ commands us to.
Friday, November 18, 2011
The Tebow factor
So, yesterday's discussion centered around the usual football arguments - my team is better than yours. This player is better than that etc. etc. The funny thing is, in a lot of these arguments it almost doesn't matter how solid of a case you have, it is still not sufficient.
One of the arguments was that Aaron Rodgers backup Matt Flynn was just as good as Aaron Rodgers. Now, if you don't know football, Aaron Rodgers is the NFL's best QB currently. He won the Super Bowl last year. His accuracy is second to none. So, (R) argued from this viewpoint amongst myself and (C) to no avail. You simply cannot convince people it seems no matter what evidence you have. I guess this goes hand in hand with the Bible and Jesus, no matter how blatantly obvious it is, people just choose not to see the truth.
This lead to other arguments about players and teams. The greatest QB of all time, some guys said Manning, because he changed the game. In my opinion, just because you change the game it doesn't mean you're the greatest. Manning does have 1 Super Bowl win, but it's just 1. Tom Brady has 3 and was the MVP twice. Or even Joe Montana who has 4 Super Bowls and 4 MVP's. But then they want to point out things like - Brady had great receivers, Manning didn't have hardly anyone which was not entirely true. Plus, the fact is if you have a great QB, he makes your receivers great because he has to throw it to them! DUH!
The point of contention yesterday which is the reason I'm posting today, Tim Tebow. EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE dogged him, for his playing style, for his beliefs/faith, for being a virgin, (C) said he was gay, etc. I of course was on the defending side, defending his unconventional way of playing and his faith. People dog him for one reason or another, but I truly believe a lot of it comes down to his faith in Jesus Christ. This separates him from the entire pack of players. No one that I know of is as astute in publicly acknowledging Jesus Christ. He is a stand up person, great character, humble, a team player, a virgin.
Don't forget that he lead Florida to 2 National Championships which of course don't seem to mean much to those around me. But if it were their teams, I'm sure they'd be thinking otherwise. They'd point out those facts, they'd say things that would make sense. But, when it comes to Tebow, (MG) simply hates him, calls him a bum and nothing he does can measure up to what he expects. It's funny. People simply try to argue on a pointless basis, but in the end you can't argue the facts. I've argued with (MG) about religion, Jesus, amongst other things and even though he has no ground to stand on, he sure does think he's right. I'm seeing that this is a familiar trend with him.
However, I am glad to say that (R) sure seems to at least be open to changing his opinion. I printed out a bunch of "15 Tebow" papers and put them on the 3 guys computers sitting next to me who were doubters. (R) and I talked a lot about positive aspects of Tebow and he's seemed to change his mind drastically in what he thinks of him. It actually was me and him vs (MG) this morning defending him.
If you don't know, Tebow had one of the greatest comebacks I've seen. Sure he's unconventional, sure he isn't an accurate passer, sure he's not the prototypical QB. But, he WINS. He's 4-1 as a starter this year for a team that was all but lost. His record is the exact opposite of what it was when he took over, they were 1-4 and going nowhere fast. Now, at 5-5 they are second in their division. They are playoff contenders, they have a chance to win their division. They have hope, a hope relayed through Tebow by his hope in Jesus Christ.
I can't say enough how after the game Tebow was humble, was gracious, was a team player, answered questions that people would normally take offensive, very matter of factly. He doesn't care about his stats, he cares about winning. He cares less about winning than about God and the fact that he's helping build a Hospital in the Philippines. You see, he has perspective, he knows what matters, he understands what's at stake.
After their big win, I was so happy for him, so excited for him. But even more, I was excited for Jesus, that he has a champion on the field who's not afraid to reflect his glory and give Him the praise because He is the only one who is truly worthy. I prayed that God would continue to bless Tebow, protect him physically, spiritually, emotionally, continue to use him as his instrument, protect his family and be honored in all the he does.
Here is the post game interview with a host of hall of fame former players.
Intimidating I'm sure, but Tebow stood his ground with his Faith and his answers.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-thursday-night-football/09000d5d8243b704/Tebow-joins-the-set
One of the arguments was that Aaron Rodgers backup Matt Flynn was just as good as Aaron Rodgers. Now, if you don't know football, Aaron Rodgers is the NFL's best QB currently. He won the Super Bowl last year. His accuracy is second to none. So, (R) argued from this viewpoint amongst myself and (C) to no avail. You simply cannot convince people it seems no matter what evidence you have. I guess this goes hand in hand with the Bible and Jesus, no matter how blatantly obvious it is, people just choose not to see the truth.
This lead to other arguments about players and teams. The greatest QB of all time, some guys said Manning, because he changed the game. In my opinion, just because you change the game it doesn't mean you're the greatest. Manning does have 1 Super Bowl win, but it's just 1. Tom Brady has 3 and was the MVP twice. Or even Joe Montana who has 4 Super Bowls and 4 MVP's. But then they want to point out things like - Brady had great receivers, Manning didn't have hardly anyone which was not entirely true. Plus, the fact is if you have a great QB, he makes your receivers great because he has to throw it to them! DUH!
The point of contention yesterday which is the reason I'm posting today, Tim Tebow. EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE dogged him, for his playing style, for his beliefs/faith, for being a virgin, (C) said he was gay, etc. I of course was on the defending side, defending his unconventional way of playing and his faith. People dog him for one reason or another, but I truly believe a lot of it comes down to his faith in Jesus Christ. This separates him from the entire pack of players. No one that I know of is as astute in publicly acknowledging Jesus Christ. He is a stand up person, great character, humble, a team player, a virgin.
Don't forget that he lead Florida to 2 National Championships which of course don't seem to mean much to those around me. But if it were their teams, I'm sure they'd be thinking otherwise. They'd point out those facts, they'd say things that would make sense. But, when it comes to Tebow, (MG) simply hates him, calls him a bum and nothing he does can measure up to what he expects. It's funny. People simply try to argue on a pointless basis, but in the end you can't argue the facts. I've argued with (MG) about religion, Jesus, amongst other things and even though he has no ground to stand on, he sure does think he's right. I'm seeing that this is a familiar trend with him.
However, I am glad to say that (R) sure seems to at least be open to changing his opinion. I printed out a bunch of "15 Tebow" papers and put them on the 3 guys computers sitting next to me who were doubters. (R) and I talked a lot about positive aspects of Tebow and he's seemed to change his mind drastically in what he thinks of him. It actually was me and him vs (MG) this morning defending him.
If you don't know, Tebow had one of the greatest comebacks I've seen. Sure he's unconventional, sure he isn't an accurate passer, sure he's not the prototypical QB. But, he WINS. He's 4-1 as a starter this year for a team that was all but lost. His record is the exact opposite of what it was when he took over, they were 1-4 and going nowhere fast. Now, at 5-5 they are second in their division. They are playoff contenders, they have a chance to win their division. They have hope, a hope relayed through Tebow by his hope in Jesus Christ.
I can't say enough how after the game Tebow was humble, was gracious, was a team player, answered questions that people would normally take offensive, very matter of factly. He doesn't care about his stats, he cares about winning. He cares less about winning than about God and the fact that he's helping build a Hospital in the Philippines. You see, he has perspective, he knows what matters, he understands what's at stake.
After their big win, I was so happy for him, so excited for him. But even more, I was excited for Jesus, that he has a champion on the field who's not afraid to reflect his glory and give Him the praise because He is the only one who is truly worthy. I prayed that God would continue to bless Tebow, protect him physically, spiritually, emotionally, continue to use him as his instrument, protect his family and be honored in all the he does.
Here is the post game interview with a host of hall of fame former players.
Intimidating I'm sure, but Tebow stood his ground with his Faith and his answers.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-thursday-night-football/09000d5d8243b704/Tebow-joins-the-set
Wednesday, November 16, 2011
Today's discussion - Marriage problems
Well, today was another day of combative conversation.
A lot of topics start out with someone making a blanket, one sided statement about some hot topic or political issue.
But today, it started out with (J) mentioning he's having some marital problems.
Thus started the chiming in of (R) and (MG), two guys even if it was me, would not seek out the advice from them. Basically, they were saying that he needs to be happy for himself, that it's better to not have arguing in the house amongst other things, single life is great, typical male responses, etc.
As I mentioned with my character statements, (J) is married with 1 kid who's fairly young. He just recently got an x-box and has been playing that and talking to the other guys about how it is since they all seem to have one and are playing the latest and greatest game.
(J) makes very pointed statements that seem to have no room for convincing otherwise. Some statements like "I'm the man of my house", "I should be able to have fun if I want to", etc.
To me, it sounds very prideful and that it's coming from a blinded perspective. So, it sounded a lot like he was looking for agreement in a lot of his thoughts and feelings. As a side note, he was apparently chilling on the couch, his wife said something to him (as any man knows he may have taken it wrongly), he said he wasn't raising his voice, argument ensues. Apparently, he was drinking so cursing was intertwined with their argument.
I told him, a soft word turns away wrath. Well, (R) and (MG) chimed in saying it was not always true or it was just "common sense". I thought, that can't be all. I looked it up and the rest of the verse says that a harsh word arouses anger. So together, "A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger." I told (MG) that yes, this may be common sense but it is there for us to learn from. Not everyone may know this or think about it. If everyone in this world knows this we would have less problems, but clearly that is not the case so then the problem is that nobody follows it (myself at times included). This is actually something challenging to put into practice around here with a lot of the heated and touchy subjects we talk about.
God has graciously given me a lot of experience in relationships, mostly from my own shortcomings. He has taught me so much in my failures, but has also showed me much more in restoring me above and beyond anything I deserve. In knowing this for myself, I could not simply stand by while these guys give relationship/marital advice and listen to this garbage straight from the throwaway society that we live in today. Lies straight from hell.
This started a long drawn out argument. I got lost at times in combating arguments from (R), who has experience in marriage/divorce/kids etc. Now, my point in all of this was that it's not better (save a few circumstances) for kids to have their parents separate/divorce than it is for them to be in an argumentative environment. Kids are the casualties of so many things today. They are targeted for so many more problems today because of our parents generation giving in to Sin and not standing up for what is Truth. Free love back in the 60's/70's lead to a sexual revolution that we are still paying debts for today - where it was ok and welcomed for people to be promiscuous. Where drug use was rampant and almost everyone took part in.
Today, parents would rather take the easy route, abandon their family because it's for the "best" and it's better for the kids. Why not stick it out? Why not try? Why not try harder? I told (J), we've had our problems, we're not perfect, but you'll never know what could have been if you just up and give up.
In thinking of what Christ has commanded us as Husbands to be, pride is the last thing we have if anything. I told him that Christ calls us to love our wives like the Church which Christ died for. So for us, we're called to an even higher standard in what we do for our wives. This seemed to make it through to him.
My heart mourns for their situation, literally. I know all too well how it is to be in that situation. There is hope, there is always hope. Jesus is hope, He is our hope. Without hope, there is no point in any situation, be it marriage, be it life, be it in eternity. Those who do not know about Jesus, have no hope.
Fortunately enough, another co-worker (RT) sent him a link to a website that covered a lot of issues he was going through. He asked how he should approach it with his wife and I said - with a great big piece of humble pie. Don't finger point and approach it as - honey, we've got some problems and I don't know where else to turn, but this seems to talk a lot about what we're having problems with.
I told him I would pray for him and he said thanks, he appreciated it. Now, for me to remember to do so and for it not to be that disingenuous courtesy "I'll pray for you". I've been guilty of that more times than I know and could count, but I'm trying to be more careful that when I tell someone I will pray for them, I truly follow through with it. It doesn't matter if they know that I'm keeping my word, I answer to my God and He knows.
Some of the other argument topics included the Bible, the authenticity, other "books" that weren't included in it and evolution was one we also talked about for a while. I told him in Revelation the Bible says that if anyone adds to it or retracts from it, they will be cursed. Revelation 22:18-19 "I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book. "
Eventually, (R) and I talked about some other topics that we found common ground on. One was people who are in Teacher/Preacher positions not taking their roles as seriously as they should. That a lot of times, it reflects that they either don't fear God or are false teachers. There are way too many examples of Preachers who have fallen from grace. One example was Eddie Long that we've talked about in here before. And I told him, I'm more scared for him than he probably is for himself. If you look up in the Bible, it clearly states in James 3:1 "Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment." Teachers/Preachers are judged on a higher standard. To me, that is scary. To me, it's more concerning that these Preachers are supposedly preaching the Word of God but not respecting it and fearing God. We need a fear and reverence like in the Old Testament.
A lot of topics start out with someone making a blanket, one sided statement about some hot topic or political issue.
But today, it started out with (J) mentioning he's having some marital problems.
Thus started the chiming in of (R) and (MG), two guys even if it was me, would not seek out the advice from them. Basically, they were saying that he needs to be happy for himself, that it's better to not have arguing in the house amongst other things, single life is great, typical male responses, etc.
As I mentioned with my character statements, (J) is married with 1 kid who's fairly young. He just recently got an x-box and has been playing that and talking to the other guys about how it is since they all seem to have one and are playing the latest and greatest game.
(J) makes very pointed statements that seem to have no room for convincing otherwise. Some statements like "I'm the man of my house", "I should be able to have fun if I want to", etc.
To me, it sounds very prideful and that it's coming from a blinded perspective. So, it sounded a lot like he was looking for agreement in a lot of his thoughts and feelings. As a side note, he was apparently chilling on the couch, his wife said something to him (as any man knows he may have taken it wrongly), he said he wasn't raising his voice, argument ensues. Apparently, he was drinking so cursing was intertwined with their argument.
I told him, a soft word turns away wrath. Well, (R) and (MG) chimed in saying it was not always true or it was just "common sense". I thought, that can't be all. I looked it up and the rest of the verse says that a harsh word arouses anger. So together, "A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger." I told (MG) that yes, this may be common sense but it is there for us to learn from. Not everyone may know this or think about it. If everyone in this world knows this we would have less problems, but clearly that is not the case so then the problem is that nobody follows it (myself at times included). This is actually something challenging to put into practice around here with a lot of the heated and touchy subjects we talk about.
God has graciously given me a lot of experience in relationships, mostly from my own shortcomings. He has taught me so much in my failures, but has also showed me much more in restoring me above and beyond anything I deserve. In knowing this for myself, I could not simply stand by while these guys give relationship/marital advice and listen to this garbage straight from the throwaway society that we live in today. Lies straight from hell.
This started a long drawn out argument. I got lost at times in combating arguments from (R), who has experience in marriage/divorce/kids etc. Now, my point in all of this was that it's not better (save a few circumstances) for kids to have their parents separate/divorce than it is for them to be in an argumentative environment. Kids are the casualties of so many things today. They are targeted for so many more problems today because of our parents generation giving in to Sin and not standing up for what is Truth. Free love back in the 60's/70's lead to a sexual revolution that we are still paying debts for today - where it was ok and welcomed for people to be promiscuous. Where drug use was rampant and almost everyone took part in.
Today, parents would rather take the easy route, abandon their family because it's for the "best" and it's better for the kids. Why not stick it out? Why not try? Why not try harder? I told (J), we've had our problems, we're not perfect, but you'll never know what could have been if you just up and give up.
In thinking of what Christ has commanded us as Husbands to be, pride is the last thing we have if anything. I told him that Christ calls us to love our wives like the Church which Christ died for. So for us, we're called to an even higher standard in what we do for our wives. This seemed to make it through to him.
My heart mourns for their situation, literally. I know all too well how it is to be in that situation. There is hope, there is always hope. Jesus is hope, He is our hope. Without hope, there is no point in any situation, be it marriage, be it life, be it in eternity. Those who do not know about Jesus, have no hope.
Fortunately enough, another co-worker (RT) sent him a link to a website that covered a lot of issues he was going through. He asked how he should approach it with his wife and I said - with a great big piece of humble pie. Don't finger point and approach it as - honey, we've got some problems and I don't know where else to turn, but this seems to talk a lot about what we're having problems with.
I told him I would pray for him and he said thanks, he appreciated it. Now, for me to remember to do so and for it not to be that disingenuous courtesy "I'll pray for you". I've been guilty of that more times than I know and could count, but I'm trying to be more careful that when I tell someone I will pray for them, I truly follow through with it. It doesn't matter if they know that I'm keeping my word, I answer to my God and He knows.
Some of the other argument topics included the Bible, the authenticity, other "books" that weren't included in it and evolution was one we also talked about for a while. I told him in Revelation the Bible says that if anyone adds to it or retracts from it, they will be cursed. Revelation 22:18-19 "I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book. "
Eventually, (R) and I talked about some other topics that we found common ground on. One was people who are in Teacher/Preacher positions not taking their roles as seriously as they should. That a lot of times, it reflects that they either don't fear God or are false teachers. There are way too many examples of Preachers who have fallen from grace. One example was Eddie Long that we've talked about in here before. And I told him, I'm more scared for him than he probably is for himself. If you look up in the Bible, it clearly states in James 3:1 "Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment." Teachers/Preachers are judged on a higher standard. To me, that is scary. To me, it's more concerning that these Preachers are supposedly preaching the Word of God but not respecting it and fearing God. We need a fear and reverence like in the Old Testament.
First post
So, in lieu of work frustrations I've been experiencing on a greater basis lately, I've decided to put my thoughts out there in regards to them.
Basically, these thoughts originate out of conversations with co-workers. Co-workers who are "nice" people, who mean well, but who are "lost" without Jesus as a true Savior. They curse very often, some claim to know Jesus but take his name in vain. Others don't really take a stance one way or another. Some believe in parts of the Bible, but not all of it. One or more don't believe Jesus is who he says he was.
I'll refer to an initial for each person
(C) - Single, believes to know Jesus, sometimes has good things to say, sometimes is biblical, curses, takes God's name in vain. Self proclaimed womanizer of sorts. Can see and understand the truth at times, but does not put it into action. Smoke/Drink. Democratic views. 1 Child out of wedlock.
(J) - He believes in Jesus and doesn't have anything to say against Him or the Bible, may go to Church, not certain yet. Married, 1 kid, marital issues currently. Curses somewhat regularly. Democratic views.
(MG) - Single, foul mouth, does not believe in Jesus, believes in some higher being, VERY against the Bible. Smoke/Drink. Democratic views.
(R) - Single, semi-biblical, does not believe everything in the Bible, Dad is/was a pastor, believes in evolution. Cool, calm, collected, doesn't really ever curse. Smoke/Drink. Democratic views. 4 kids, divorced.
(ME) - Married, 3 kids, 1 brother living with me, a sinner, not perfect, trying to live out the Biblical Truths outlined by Jesus. I'm not perfect, I'm not always correct, don't always do the right thing, just trying to combat the lies of this world that are evident in our conversations. Do not smoke or drink or curse. Republican views.
Basically, these thoughts originate out of conversations with co-workers. Co-workers who are "nice" people, who mean well, but who are "lost" without Jesus as a true Savior. They curse very often, some claim to know Jesus but take his name in vain. Others don't really take a stance one way or another. Some believe in parts of the Bible, but not all of it. One or more don't believe Jesus is who he says he was.
I'll refer to an initial for each person
(C) - Single, believes to know Jesus, sometimes has good things to say, sometimes is biblical, curses, takes God's name in vain. Self proclaimed womanizer of sorts. Can see and understand the truth at times, but does not put it into action. Smoke/Drink. Democratic views. 1 Child out of wedlock.
(J) - He believes in Jesus and doesn't have anything to say against Him or the Bible, may go to Church, not certain yet. Married, 1 kid, marital issues currently. Curses somewhat regularly. Democratic views.
(MG) - Single, foul mouth, does not believe in Jesus, believes in some higher being, VERY against the Bible. Smoke/Drink. Democratic views.
(R) - Single, semi-biblical, does not believe everything in the Bible, Dad is/was a pastor, believes in evolution. Cool, calm, collected, doesn't really ever curse. Smoke/Drink. Democratic views. 4 kids, divorced.
(ME) - Married, 3 kids, 1 brother living with me, a sinner, not perfect, trying to live out the Biblical Truths outlined by Jesus. I'm not perfect, I'm not always correct, don't always do the right thing, just trying to combat the lies of this world that are evident in our conversations. Do not smoke or drink or curse. Republican views.
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